Συζήτηση προτύπου:tr-harmony/-sIz

main form

☏ Barishan, teşekkürler for this!! And for -ca! I meant to ask you: Among all the forms of suffixes, is there one type which is always the main one? Or every suffix has a different main form? Or, there is no main form?
E.g. I see tr:-siz, en:-siz, tr:-sız, en:-sız. Unlike -cı, they assume -siz as main.
PS. When a link directs to a page with many languages, I use {l|...|tr} ‑‑Sarri.greek ^♫ | 20:37, 14 Ιουλίου 2020 (UTC)

Pleasure! Well, actually there is no main form. I immediately thought of a scenario in which someone asks me what "without" means in Turkish. I would answer as "-sız, -siz". It is quantitative; we generally use the forms for a, e, ı and i because the are more words with these vowels than those with o, u, ö and ü. Barishan (συζήτηση) 21:56, 14 Ιουλίου 2020 (UTC)

Maybe it'd be a good idea to create the template titles as προτύπου:tr-harmony/-sXz or as the rare form that may be seen in more advanced grammar books, προτύπου:tr-harmony/-sI⁴z (as there are 4 forms this vowel can take). For -cı, for example, it'd be C²I⁴. Barishan (συζήτηση) 22:44, 14 Ιουλίου 2020 (UTC)

☏ Barishan ... I'm thinking...

advanced grammars style: accurate but cannot be done technically

your soluction sXz looks good, but is there a danger of coinciding suffixes?

Is there any dictionary with a suffix as a lemma? like -μάρα@DSMG directs to a main lemma -αμάρα/etc.

Perhaps ahlphabetically.

But it is YOUR decision. I presume -cX, -sXz is the best trying to avoid letters with diacritics. ‑‑Sarri.greek ^♫ | 22:53, 14 Ιουλίου 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, PS: the reason we are looking for a main lemma, is that definition cannot be copied again and again. It is the principle of do not repeat information ‑‑Sarri.greek ^♫ | 22:54, 14 Ιουλίου 2020 (UTC)

recap:

• 1) Template:tr-harmony/-sız can be named sXz, -sI4z, etc. It does not matter what the template is called (no superscript though) But it would be nice to have an easy name
• 2) but the definitions of the suffix can be placed only in one of the pages, not all of them. I propose as main lemma the first in alphabetic order.

‑‑Sarri.greek ^♫ | 04:22, 15 Ιουλίου 2020 (UTC)

☏ Barishan, the more I think of it, the more the alphabetic sequence seems handy: it does not imply precedence of any form. Are you in agreement? ‑‑Sarri.greek ^♫ | 23:04, 17 Ιουλίου 2020 (UTC)

Both seem perfect! The form -sXz, -cX, -lXr etc. seemed less complicated at first but then something bothered me, that wouldn't separate -ca/ce from -cı/ci. We may actually capitalize all letters that may change, such as -sIz, -CA, -CI, -lAr. The title would be the first letter in aplhabetic order as you suggested. How does that sound? Full agreement by my side - Barishan (συζήτηση) 09:29, 18 Ιουλίου 2020 (UTC)

☏ Barishan the Template may be named as you wish. The editor will copy-paste in every page. Your system sounds good and somehow depicts a 'correct' handling of the situation.

but the page with the definition, will be in alphabetical order. The 'other' pages will not state alternative of, but will just have {cf|...} (See....) with no comment that will imply that this form is a derived form.

I will procede with the changes. These rules should be described properly at the page Template:tr-harmony as instructions. I will write a few words. Thank you ‑‑Sarri.greek ^♫ | 09:47, 18 Ιουλίου 2020 (UTC)